So I have been fighting with a friend recently...this first conversation is between me and a third party and then me and Holly the girl I am actually fighting with. This should catch me upto date with my journal since it tells how much I suck and all.
MAIZE222: hey did you get my last im?
durst182ChiCk: what did it say?
MAIZE222: that you should talk to holly
durst182ChiCk: I IMed her
MAIZE222: and
durst182ChiCk: and nothing
durst182ChiCk: we talked for a little
MAIZE222: good stuff? or pointless stuff?
durst182ChiCk: I don't really know
durst182ChiCk: I mean I told her I loved her and she said she loved me but she is still upset and I am still on defense
durst182ChiCk: one thing that she said that shocked me is that she didn't feel a need to contact me because apparently she felt it was my position to do so
durst182ChiCk: which I don't understand because I have made many more attempts to talk than she has
MAIZE222: Holly will probably take a while to get over the situation. Because that is Holly's way but, I am glad you are trying to fix things. Just keep talking to her when she gets online and say stuff like how was your day? She will turn around and realize that you are a wonderful person with a big heart.
durst182ChiCk: well you know what? my heart is not big enough for this and I cannot continually talk to someone who is unresponsive
durst182ChiCk: This is hard for me
durst182ChiCk: and I am sick of trying
MAIZE222: she obviously is reponsive because she said she loved you too
MAIZE222: don't stop trying now, you just broke through to her
durst182ChiCk: she is not being responsive, you are not the one talking to her, I am. She barely said anything and basically all she said is that she is still mad
durst182ChiCk: well I cannot make her stop being mad at me
durst182ChiCk: that is her problem and she needs to deal with it
MAIZE222: if the relationship means anything at all to you which it should because you all are or at least used to be best friends. You know Holly like I know Holly she holds grudges. But, the fact that she even responded to your im at all shows that she does still want to be your friend. You don't know what else could have been going on she could have been doing homework or about to leave. She will eventually get over it but you can't give up.
durst182ChiCk: I love you but STOP telling me to do this. Bother her. I am trying, she is not. I am sorry but I cannot deal with this, especially in the mood I am currently in. I understand you are trying to help but the only thing you are doing is upseting me by making me feel like everything is my fault and that I am the only one who can do anything about it. Well that is just not true, Holly can do something about it. Obviously our friendship means something to me otherwise I wouldn't have already tried so much. Tell her to try, she hasn't at all. Ask her if our friendship matters. But don't make me feel like what I have been doing is inadequate because that is not fair to me because I have a done a shitload more than I should have had to
MAIZE222: I am not saying what you are doing is unadequate. And I have talked to her. I am not only pushing you. I care about you both. Nothing to help a friendship is "a shitload more than I should have had to" because look at where I am standing and how much I am trying to get this back together. It is not my issue at all and yet because I care and love you you both I am trying my hardest to make things work. I don't care what mood you are in or how hard you have tried. The relationship is not fixed. If you don't care fine. I will stop bothering you about it and talk to holly. I have better things to do then talk to a brick wall especially when I have homework and other stuff to do. Do what you want Ellen. I am just trying to stop you from making the same mistake I made with Jenny. hopefully at some point that will get across to either you or Holly. But, right now I am sure neither one of you are mature enough to understand. So, whatever I have other stuff I need to do so I am going to sign off. I love you Ellen and I only want the best for you. All My Love
Right after this conversaion occurred, I began this one with Holly:
durst182ChiCk: holly I don't know what to do. I have tried working things out with you, but we don't seem to be getting anywhere. Why? Are we both just being unwilling to get over this or is there something still hindering us? I would really like to fix this, not only because I care but because this is really upsetting melanie and she is constantly yelling at me about it. Is there anything we haven't tried to do yet that you think might work or are you satisfied with the situation currently? just tell me what you are thinking in general
DreamerHalo: um
durst182ChiCk: lol sorry I know I caught you offguard with all this
DreamerHalo: i guess im fairly passvie about it. i mean, im here. youre there.
DreamerHalo: passive*
DreamerHalo: i mean, i dont think im going to jump to talk to you, but im not jumping to talk to anyone really, except the people at UK, cause they're here and we make plans and stuff
durst182ChiCk: well honestly I feel like I am making a lot more effort currently and that makes it really hard to fix anything because I know you care and yet you are not IMing me or talking to me
DreamerHalo: i just dont feel like theres anything i want to say. i mean, if you want me to im you every day and ask you how you are, and tell you how i am, i can- but id rather want to, rather than do it because i feel i should.
durst182ChiCk: so you don't have anything to say to me at all ever and that is why you are not IMing me?
DreamerHalo: and i dont really feel like im needing to put forth a huge amount of effort, i dont think this relationship is dying or anything.
DreamerHalo: i dont know what you want me to say.
durst182ChiCk: how is the relationship not dying when you and I haven't really talked in weeks?
durst182ChiCk: I think this is going to be much more akward when we are home together than it is currently because we are both in different states
durst182ChiCk: do you really still consider me one of your best friends?
DreamerHalo: i dont think i rank my friends
durst182ChiCk: you have friends that are closer to you than others and that is what I am asking
DreamerHalo: yeah, but its not something im constantly evaluating. and i dont think us not talking in weeks means that youve made a huge change and i dont know you anymore. i consider kellie one of my best friends and we talk once every break or so
DreamerHalo: we dont have to call each other everyday, and we allow ourselves the time to catch up, and we understand that we're apart, and thats just not a big deal.
DreamerHalo: nothing huge is going on in my life
DreamerHalo: my mom got a job
DreamerHalo: she hasnt started yet though
DreamerHalo: um, my brother and his girlfriend were on the cover of Velocity for Valentines day
DreamerHalo: i saw Constantine this weekend.
durst182ChiCk: well I am just worried that if we continue the way we are that we will never start communicating again
DreamerHalo: well thats dumb.
DreamerHalo: im not avoiding you
DreamerHalo: if that were the case
DreamerHalo: youd be blocked
DreamerHalo: i realize im not forth putting major effort
DreamerHalo: but im busy like you
durst182ChiCk: I am not saying that you are avoiding me. But you are not talking to me. We used to talk
DreamerHalo: i dont talk to melanie all the time online either.
durst182ChiCk: you don't talk to me ever though
durst182ChiCk: that is the difference
DreamerHalo: i talk to melanie when we make plans to see each other
DreamerHalo: we very rairly talk on line
durst182ChiCk: well I just feel like we are not at the point where we used to be and that to me means a big loss
DreamerHalo: we arent where we used to be, sure. but that doesnt mean were taking a step backwards. its just where we are right now.
DreamerHalo: it would be unrealisitic to think that we're going to maintain the same closeness forever, or even what we had during the summer into where we are now in college.
durst182ChiCk: so you are just willing to lose our closeness? because we had it up until this fight despite college
DreamerHalo: i dont look at it like were losing something. it comes and it goes, like anything. and even last year you were busy and i was busy and there were weeks we didnt talk online, and it wasnt a big deal.
durst182ChiCk: but it wasn't like we didn't talk because there was something between us, we didn't talk because we were busy and this time it feels like there is a seperation and not just business
DreamerHalo: but there is a seperation.
DreamerHalo: something happened.
DreamerHalo: i cant just forget it and move on
DreamerHalo: its fine
DreamerHalo: its the past
DreamerHalo: but im aware of it
durst182ChiCk: but I don't feel like you have forgiven me for it and that is where the hindrence lies
DreamerHalo: well it seems to me like your idea of forgiveness is things being back to how they were before. and my idea of forgiveness is being forgiven and having to work through it for a long time.
durst182ChiCk: you are not working towards it though, you are not talking to me
DreamerHalo: im talking to you right now, how can you say im not talking to you?
durst182ChiCk: you have not once IMed me, you only talk to me when I initiate it
durst182ChiCk: you are capable of talking to me, and you don't
DreamerHalo: after you called me i IMed you twice and you didnt respond to either IM
durst182ChiCk: not to mention you never actually said you forgave me, am I just supposed to assume you did because what if I assume wrong?
durst182ChiCk: you IMed me once about some random guy you saw and that is the only one I ever got and I had no idea what you were talking about
DreamerHalo: some random guy that reminded me of you, it should have showed that i atleast cared. and i just forgot his name. you know him.
DreamerHalo: drew
DreamerHalo: it was drew
durst182ChiCk: and what was the other IM?
DreamerHalo: i dont remember, but i remember talking to you twice
DreamerHalo: oh
DreamerHalo: the other one i thanked you for the phone call
durst182ChiCk: oh yes I did get that one. that one did not make it seem like you wanted a response since you said something along the lines of you appreciated it but were still mad, so I didn't respond because I figured you still needed some space
DreamerHalo: well thats fine, but they were both my effort to converse with you, and i got no feedback from you on either of them.
DreamerHalo: and at that time, i really didnt feel like i should have been the one to try to talk to you
durst182ChiCk: yes but at the time I called you and you didn't answer
durst182ChiCk: so I figured you didn't want to talk to me
durst182ChiCk: do you feel like you should try and talk to me now?
DreamerHalo: i didnt. i was pissed.
durst182ChiCk: so then why should I have responded to the IM?
DreamerHalo: because it was your mistake. and you had me to lose.
DreamerHalo: and i was trying
durst182ChiCk: I was too
DreamerHalo: i guess i didnt feel like you were.
DreamerHalo: you were so angry
durst182ChiCk: I called you crying and you IGNORED me
durst182ChiCk: I tried
DreamerHalo: and i got so defensive because it seemed like you didnt even listen to what i was saying
durst182ChiCk: well I felt the same way
DreamerHalo: when you called, i had been soo angry with you, i likely would have said something i regreted, or my tone would have been so rude at your attempt to apologize- it was in my best interest and yours that i not take that call.
DreamerHalo: on IM, you can wait, you can talk later, you can word things how you want.
durst182ChiCk: I understand that but I don't understand how you can say I was not trying when I made an obvious attempt immediately
DreamerHalo: yes, you called and you said you were sorry. but before that, we had to continually talk about why i was hurt, and what said. it took so long for you to really apologize, which frustrated me. because i was upset and one thing, and instead of addressing that immediately you took to ripping me apart for what i said. and i really didnt expect that. because very little in your email address the main problem to me.
DreamerHalo: so we kept talking
DreamerHalo: and where i was hurt by what you said, i was so angry at your reaction, and that you didnt just apologize.
durst182ChiCk: and I feel like you are still holding this against me and I do not know what to do about that
DreamerHalo: you cant do anything, thats what time has to heal
DreamerHalo: and im sorry i dont IM you, but i dont have anything to say.
DreamerHalo: im not throwing you or this friendship away
DreamerHalo: and i dont know that ill ever want to share anything going on with travis with you, and i feel like you are constantly judging me for my friends or my actions
DreamerHalo: and i dont remember judging you for anything
DreamerHalo: and thats not saying i havent
durst182ChiCk: okay well I have really enjoyed talking to you, and I feel like this has actually gotten us somewhere but I really have to go and start my homework if that is okay....
durst182ChiCk: but I mean I don' t want to just leave if you are in the middle of trying to tell me something
DreamerHalo: well it feels like youre upset
DreamerHalo: and youre just trying to leave
DreamerHalo: is that the case?
durst182ChiCk: I am not really upset with you though, Melanie really hurt my feelings
DreamerHalo: what did she say?
DreamerHalo: that hurt you?
durst182ChiCk: she told me I am immature and that I am a brick wall and that I do not care about our friendship
DreamerHalo: ours, like yours and mineyouve done things that have hurt a lot of people, including me, ?
durst182ChiCk: yours and mine
DreamerHalo: ok, sorry that was like copy and paste in there
DreamerHalo: well, it was immature.
DreamerHalo: do you think or agree or disagree with tht?
DreamerHalo: not do you think, i know you think
durst182ChiCk: but just because I do something immature does not make me immature
DreamerHalo: what? did you read what you just wrote?
durst182ChiCk: I mean as a person
durst182ChiCk: I am not an immature person, I just happened to do an immature thing
DreamerHalo: maybe it doesnt mean that youre immature in all aspects of your life, but i would say that doing something immature either makes you silly, or immature.
DreamerHalo: to a degree
durst182ChiCk: well that is fine but I am going to go and do my homework now if that is okay
DreamerHalo: but youre not okay with this
DreamerHalo: you probably feel like youre being attacked by everyone
durst182ChiCk: to a degree I do, but at the same time maybe I am really an immature little child and am the only one unaware of it
DreamerHalo: no one is calling you a child.
durst182ChiCk: but honestly I do have homework to do and lots of it since I have been out of town all weekend
DreamerHalo: one degree of not being a child is being able to talk through things, and work them out, even when its hurting you and me
DreamerHalo: i think ive gotten over a lot of this. i dont get angry when i think of your name, i dont bitch about it, i only get frusrated when i think about it all. which i dont do often.
DreamerHalo: and i think thats a big step.
durst182ChiCk: that is
DreamerHalo: and if it takes you being the one to IM me for the rest of our lives, if thats what it takes, maybe thats the question.
durst182ChiCk: well okay. i think that is a good stopping point for us both to think
DreamerHalo: alright, thats fair. and im open to talk about this whenever i can.
durst182ChiCk: okay thanks, we will talk again soon I am sure
DreamerHalo: alright. good luck on your homework
DreamerHalo: and i hope you had a fun weekend.
durst182ChiCk: thanks I'll ttyl